rix2727 Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 so, why do some scale patterns shift up one fret when changing and some do not? pattern 1 2 big stretch - 2 middle finger (up 1 fret) - 2 ring finger(up 1 fret) warp zone, ok . but middle finger moved up also pattern 2 nothing moves up until warp zone. pattern 3 nothing moves up til warp zone. pattern 4 big stretch ..... moves up for middle finger. can't figure this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yves Cadieux Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 Hi! I suggest you have a look at Module 6, lesson 1 called "Discover the Freedom Key System". It is a 29 minutes video during which you shall get all the answers to your questions about fret shifting in patterns. It is in the Ultimate Grid Mastery course. Explanations are thorough and clear.....probably clearer than I could do it!😜 Hope it helps! YC🎸 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rix2727 Posted March 8, 2022 Author Share Posted March 8, 2022 yes, I have watched this mod 6 many times thinking the answer is in there. The warp zone shift is easy to understand. But, a shift lower in the pattern I am not getting yet!? I will watch again. Is it when Jonathan says he can't explain this but we just need to know anyway, I will study mod 6. Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yves Cadieux Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 Hi Rix! I will try to answer your question the way I understand Jonathan's Big Repeating Pattern in the Freedom Key system. The Big Repeating Pattern is a 7-strings pattern: 3 Big stretches, followed by 2 Middle finger and then 2 Ring finger (that's 7)..... then it would go to 3 Big stretches again and so on. After the last of the 3 Big stretches comes the first Middle finger and it always starts 1 fret up from where the Big stretches start.....there is your first upshift in Pattern 1. The other upshift is because of the warp zone as you said. As for Pattern 2 you say nothing moves up until the warp zone, but if you look closely, in Pattern 2 we get to the second string right after 3 Big stretches and the upshift is of 2 frets.....up one fret because the first Middle finger is always up one fret after the last Big stretch and up another fret because of the warp zone so.....it works! In Pattern 3 nothing moves up until the warp zone where we are in the middle of 3 Big stretches and we end on a big stretch on first string. In Pattern 4 we start on a Big stretch which happens to be the last of 3 consecutive Big stretches in the Big Repeating Pattern so the next string (the 5th string) is a middle finger....up one fret as it is always the case after the Big stretches. In Pattern 5 it starts with 3 Big stretches on strings 6, 5 and 4 ..... so, on string 3 you have your first Middle finger up one fret because it always occur after the last Big stretch and then on string 2 the second Middle finger up one fret because of the warp zone this time. Check with Pattern 6 and 7, it always works! Hope it helps! YC🎸 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rix2727 Posted March 9, 2022 Author Share Posted March 9, 2022 YC OK, So, If I am beginning to understand, we shift up 1 fret after all 3 big stretch or same thing as first middle finger . yes I don't believe I caught that in Jonathan's lesson in Mod 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yves Cadieux Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 Hi! You are right, from the third big stretch to the first middle finger always shift up one fret. What is misleading at the beginning is that Patterns do not always begin with the first big stretch. Pattern 1 starts with 2 big stretches, they are big stretch no.2 and no.3 in the big repeating pattern (freedom key) so you go to middle finger after the second big stretch of Pattern 1, hence move up one fret there. Pattern 4 starts with 1 big stretch which would be big stretch no.3 in the big repeating pattern so you go to middle finger right after this one and hence move up one fret. Pattern 5 starts with all 3 big stretches so there is less confusion there, after the third one you move to middle finger, up one fret. Keep playing and having fun! YC🎸 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rix2727 Posted March 9, 2022 Author Share Posted March 9, 2022 YC yes, I watched Mod 6 again and I see it. Together with Jonathan and your explanation, I have it now! 😉 It was really bothering me! My OCD was kicking in big time. LOL On to pattern 5 Have a great day! talk soon. Patrick 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrstole Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Module 6 just blew me away. Crazy how I've never had anyone explain it, with such clarity. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rix2727 Posted March 10, 2022 Author Share Posted March 10, 2022 yeah, awesome! I have been so happy with the whole program. Jonathan and Ultimate Guitar Grid Mastery has been my go-to with coffee every morning for months now🙂🎸 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Soukup Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 Agreed, can't get enough of Ultimate Guitar Grid Mastery. I love going over the material again I always seem to find something I missed or forgot. I just know I keep improving. Fred 🎸 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rix2727 Posted March 23, 2022 Author Share Posted March 23, 2022 yes, I am 93% through the course. Really taking my time. When I finish, not sure where to go from there? Guitar Grid Mastery has been great Should be complete in a few weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yves Cadieux Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Hi Rix! I think you would like Pentatonic fluency as much as Ultimate Guitar Grid Mastery. It is a solid complement and fun for playing with backing tracks. Enjoy, YC🎸 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Soukup Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 @rix2727Pentatonic Fluency is where I went next after I finished UGGM. Lots of fun. Fred 🎸 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Gauger Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 hello, I have been doing Johnathan's course now for three or four months and love it and the whole new lead guitar world I'm in. the question I have that I'm having trouble understanding is how to know whether to slide up or down the fret board during a song or improvising to the next or prior pattern number? I'm assuming that in the real world only two or three patterns would probably be used in a given song? I can easily play any pattern number down and back but get tripped up on quickly switching to the next pattern once I hit the low e string and want to come back on another pattern remaining in the same key. is there a tip for knowing that or massive memorization and practice or what am I missing? it seems like once I try to slide a fret or two it takes me too long to figure out the next pattern backwards if you will to get back to the low E string. any help would be greatly appreciated. thanks, Dennis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yves Cadieux Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 Hi Dennis! First, let me state that, like you I am a BTG member ( 10 months now ) and I did not know at all where to go on the fretboard when playing over a backing track. So I learned the 7 patterns and started practicing over backing tracks which was very motivating even though it did not always sound great 😜. I faced the same problem: moving up (or down ) the high e string while staying in key I could do, but after a phrase like that and in the heat of the moment, I hardly could figure at the end of which pattern I ended up! I tried to learn the end of every pattern ( last two strings ), but it is kind of tough and found that it had me thinking too much. So the best thing I found, at the present time, is to find the closest root note on the D, G or B string, no matter where I am on the fretboard, and start or visualize Pattern 1 from there ( or Pattern 6 if it's a minor scale ). You realize almost instantly in which Pattern you are in and can keep on playing. You can do that anywhere on the neck and travel through the Patterns without necessarily going in sequence and relying totally on memory ( we have got to know the Big Repeating Pattern sequence though: 3 Big stretches , 2 Middyfinger, 2 Ring finger ). Perfect Fretboard Vision is a good course to help on that. There might be a better way and like you I am opened to suggestions on that. Hope it helps a little, YC🎸 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Gauger Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 thanks so much Yves. that's what I'll try focusing on when I start playing after work today and see if I can make it happen. I did the perfect fretboard vision course but maybe I'll run through it again. I'm extremely motivated as well to get this so I'll keep pressing on. thanks again, Dennis 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 anyone besides me having trouble remembering the different positions in reverse order. Sometimes this may be referred to as "desending" order, if I'm phrasing this right. example: playing pattern 6 or 7 in reverse, starting on the High 'e' string. If there's a easy way to memorize this please let me know your secret. Im stuck in module 9, due to the fact I mess up with the memorization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Soukup Posted April 26, 2022 Share Posted April 26, 2022 @gazKeep practicing. Look at the charts and go slowly backwards until you can do it without looking. That is how I did it. Fred 🎸 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 I'm really struggling too!! I made this chart on a single sheet that is really helpful as I try and memorize? Thanks, Marc Major Scales all on one page.docx 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Soukup Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 @MarcKeep at it but do not make it too much like work. Have fun with it you will get it. Fred 🎸 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Desmond Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 I agree with Fred, there's so much, so many different scales many not covered in BTG course. For me anyway i find it usefull to daily practice pentatonic pat's 1 thro 4, you can play lots of good stuff with that. Of course you need to have the 7 major scales to hand and remember the ones you use alot like 1 for major and 6 for minor. Think alot of us just keep a picture sheet handy. Think about the big repeating pattern, it helps. Hooe you find this usefull, see the post before yours where i posted Am. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emmajanepayne Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 On 6/7/2022 at 8:16 PM, Marc said: I'm really struggling too!! I made this chart on a single sheet that is really helpful as I try and memorize? Thanks, Marc Major Scales all on one page.docx 899.94 kB · 5 downloads Thank you Marc. I was searching everywhere to find a easy way to put all the scales on one sheet of paper. I felt like I was bouncing all over the place. I just got started . You rock....Emma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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